aldoseacap Posted July 4, 2008 Posted July 4, 2008 Dear All, I hope that someone can point this noob in the right direction. On a Vista 32-bit system with DVBViewer Pro installed I can receive BBC (and now ITV HD using .ini files from this forum) however in both cases there is motion blur and jitter which was most noticeable when recently trying to watch the Euro 2008. After reading the DVBViewer manual and searching the forum, I found a recommendation to use DVBViewer GE version instead. However, upon installing the GE version I can receive all of the normal (i.e. non HD) channels ok, but when I try to view one of the HD channels there is an error telling me that the correct combination of filters/renderer does not exist. Could someone please explain what I'm doing wrong? By the way, I think the set-up I have "should" be a decent enough system to be able to display HDTV without problems: ASUS M2A-VM HDMI motherboard, 2GB DDR2 ram, MSI NX8500GT graphics card, 300GB HDD. Many thanks in advance, Aldo. Quote
habibm Posted July 4, 2008 Posted July 4, 2008 I had similar issue. DVBViewer Pro is now fine, use Cyberlink codecs for MPEG and H.264 decoding and use the Enhanced Video Renderer (EVR). Only EVR gives you H.264 hardware acceleration in Vista. You can install Cyberlink PowerDVD trial version to get the codecs for free. Quote
aldoseacap Posted July 4, 2008 Author Posted July 4, 2008 Dear Habibm, Many thanks for the super-fast reply and recommendation. I'm downloading Cyberlink PowerDVD now. Will give it a go over the weekend and let you know the result. Thanks again, Aldo. Quote
aldoseacap Posted July 7, 2008 Author Posted July 7, 2008 Dear Habibm, Just thought I'd update you on the weekend's attempt to get DVBViewer working on HD without blurring or jitter. I downloaded the trial version of PowerDVD and copied the .ax file for the H.264 codec into the DVBViewer "filters" directory. I then registered the filters. The new filters seemed to register ok and I was able to select H.264 and EVR from the Options menu. Unfortunately the result was the same, i.e. pin-sharp stationary pictures but the moment there is any movement in the frame there is blurring which then makes it unwatchable. The result seems to be the same whether I try DVBViewer Pro or DVBViewer GE. There is no problem at all watching any of the other channels, just BBC or ITV HD. I think I followed the right sequence to install the Cyberlink filters. Not sure what to try next. Regards, Aldo. Quote
AboFatimah Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 Hi, I'm having the same problem but with SD channels. during my search i found a blog addressing your problem in HD channels: see the settings in this page: http://1920by1080p.co.uk/blur.aspx I hope this help you. and here are some pictures from the same page: after using the right rendering: and here are the settings: Quote
habibm Posted July 20, 2008 Posted July 20, 2008 Dear Habibm, Just thought I'd update you on the weekend's attempt to get DVBViewer working on HD without blurring or jitter. I downloaded the trial version of PowerDVD and copied the .ax file for the H.264 codec into the DVBViewer "filters" directory. I then registered the filters. The new filters seemed to register ok and I was able to select H.264 and EVR from the Options menu. Unfortunately the result was the same, i.e. pin-sharp stationary pictures but the moment there is any movement in the frame there is blurring which then makes it unwatchable. The result seems to be the same whether I try DVBViewer Pro or DVBViewer GE. There is no problem at all watching any of the other channels, just BBC or ITV HD. I think I followed the right sequence to install the Cyberlink filters. Not sure what to try next. Regards, Aldo. Google "HD Pack 1.4" and download HD Pack 1.6 and install. You will get the Cyberlink codec do decode H.264. Quote
fxv1 Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Google "HD Pack 1.4" and download HD Pack 1.6 and install. You will get the Cyberlink codec do decode H.264. Hi, after about a few weeks since been using DVBViewer and I am nowhere near getting a good motion picture on any viewer (not kust DVBViewer) The above in the previous post were my screen shots. Questions questions but what are the best answers. Well I have an ATI video card HD3870 decent enough card so should be able to handle anything you can throw at it. I have the latest CCC. So first of all we need to ask ... is the hardware acceleration on the card being used ....how can you tell. CCC has an option for "Use automatic deinterlacing" or not ....if you say not then you have choices ....Weave/Bob/Adaptive/Motion Adaptive/Vector Adaptive" Vector adaptive seems to show the best result for the image of the ATI flag ..... and then you have the choice of "Pulldown detection" Now when you select choices at the CCC are these values used by the decoders, do decoders benefit from any of the choices. I think I must have downloaded all decoders...decoder detective shows quite a lot.... tried most of them...... One of the tecchies on here told me not to use the COREAvc as that was a software decoder ...this defeats the work done by the h/w accelerator in the ATI card. Anyway my trial period ran out on that CoreAvc and was not sure if I needed it.. Still blur and more blur ..... So filters ..... I have a few in the list DVBSource, ffdshow raw video, EVR Renderer, Cyberlink H264 filter priorities ...yes I know.. is one undoing another filters work ... Is there anyone out there who has a working solution for DVBViewer and HD video at full resolution. In particular any with an ATI card who has got no blur on fast action .... Any help welcome. I have uploaded support.zip previously but can upload a new one if need be. Frank Quote
mulchey Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Hi, I'm having exactly the same problem (and apparently so are a few others I have come upon during my hairpulling investigation of the dreaded jitters in BBC HD). I have a mobo with integrated ATI 3200 and a Hauppauge Nova T-S2-HD. I've discovered that if I set the "bob" option in CCC as well as on the Cyberlink Decoder settings that this helps. I've also discovered that if you hold down CTRL whilst accessing the Cyberlink Decoder settings (via "Filters") you get advanced options (cant remember what they are as I'm not at the PC at the mo) in addition to the above. I have these both set to "Good" and this also helps. But......after a 2-3 minutes the jitter comes back!!! I really want to use DVBViewer as I like the features, but this is getting to be a showstopper for me (in addtion the EPGPlus not getting EPG info properly...but thats another story). How is it that for the first few minutes it works fine and then it all goes wrong.......? I'd really like anyone who has smooth jitter free BBCHD and has an ATI card to let me know how they did it!!!! Cheers, Mulchey. Quote
fxv1 Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 I have been experimenting and now seem to have got a stable picture on all HD channels and on SD. I have ditched cyberlink h264 for Arcsoft Video decoder. I use cyberlink for SD pictures and thats seems fine. Much better and hardly any blur. Also I had ffdshow raw filter enabled via a plugin. Disabled that ffdshow ...not sure when I enabled that and I think it was causing massive blur. Also on the CCC I have set AVIVO Video (Basic Quality) to Vector Adeaptive (Pulldown detection ...whatever that does...enabled) By the way I have never been able to get CCC help to work ... Quote
Frogster Posted August 11, 2008 Posted August 11, 2008 Well I have an ATI video card HD3870 decent enough card so should be able to handle anything you can throw at it. It should indeed. But you need to be using hardware decoding. is the hardware acceleration on the card being used ....how can you tell. Check your CPU % (ctrl-alt-del : task manager :performance). If you are using CoreAVC then your % CPU reading will be fairly high as CoreAVC is a software decoder. Switch to PowerDVD8 codecs and you should see the % CPU drop away to nearly nothing. That shows that the GPU is doing all the work. CCC has an option for "Use automatic deinterlacing" or not ....if you say not then you have choices ....Weave/Bob/Adaptive/Motion Adaptive/Vector Adaptive" Vector adaptive seems to show the best result for the image of the ATI flag ..... and then you have the choice of "Pulldown detection" Vector adaptive should give the best picture but it also requires the most work by the CPU or GPU. Pulldown detection is of use for DVD material and should not be an issue with broadcast TV. One of the tecchies on here told me not to use the COREAvc as that was a software decoder ...this defeats the work done by the h/w accelerator in the ATI card. He was right, though it doesn't defeat the card it just doesn't use any of the card's HD functions. So filters ..... I have a few in the list DVBSource, ffdshow raw video, EVR Renderer, Cyberlink H264filter priorities ...yes I know.. is one undoing another filters work ... Probably. The best results should come from EVR renderer (this is not a filter or codec), DVBSource, PDVD8 H264. You do not want to be using ffdshow for anything to do with HD, at least until it is working properly without. Is there anyone out there who has a working solution for DVBViewer and HD video at full resolution. In particular any with an ATI card who has got no blur on fast action .... I have an ATI card, but a much slower one that offers little hardware decoding. I don't get any blur but I do get a lot of dropped frames with DVBViewer and the PDVD8 decoder. CoreAVC and DVBViewer just seems to crash. Knowing that my card is a bit near the bone for BBDHD I've ordered an ATI HD3850 which should be with me in a few days. This does have real hardware decoding and so I will be interested to see how it works with DVBViewer and PDVD8. In the meantime I just record the HD material to disk and play back the ts file using Zoomplayer with CoreAVC. This works fine with no dropped frames, as long as I don't use software deinterlacing which is too much for my processor (2.2ghz Core2Duo). There is no blur on this at all, though inevitably there is some tearing and jaggies due to the deinterlacing problem. All in all I suspect that the problems with BBDHD actually stem from DVBViewer rather than the codec or renderers as the combination of Zoomplayer and CoreAVC works very nicely, bar the deinterlacing. In DVBViewer's defence, it does say "experimental" for EVR. (EVR in Zoomplayer works just fine for me though.) To experiment with this I tried to use DVBViewerGE but for me that just crashes on HD channels. Quote
Frogster Posted August 11, 2008 Posted August 11, 2008 (in addtion the EPGPlus not getting EPG info properly...but thats another story). Want a UK EPG that works? http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=837707 It does what it says on the tin. Quote
Frogster Posted August 11, 2008 Posted August 11, 2008 (edited) I have been experimenting and now seem to have got a stable picture on all HD channels and on SD. I have ditched cyberlink h264 for Arcsoft Video decoder. You've really got that one right. Well spotted. I just tried Arcsoft: 25fps rendered, no dropped frames and about 60% CPU usage. Brilliant. I don't need that new video card now! (But I bet I keep it when it gets here. Never could resist a PC upgrade.) When I do fit it I will be able to see whether the Arcsoft codec does make use of hardware decoding as it says on the website, and to what extent. Interesting. What % CPU usage do you get at the moment? Edited August 11, 2008 by Frogster Quote
poggs Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 You've really got that one right. Well spotted. I just tried Arcsoft: 25fps rendered, no dropped frames and about 60% CPU usage. Brilliant. I don't need that new video card now! (But I bet I keep it when it gets here. Never could resist a PC upgrade.) When I do fit it I will be able to see whether the Arcsoft codec does make use of hardware decoding as it says on the website, and to what extent. Interesting. What % CPU usage do you get at the moment? Yep. THe arcsoft decoder results in no tearing and no stuttering. however the picture is definately not as good. Its a bit well erm, grainy compared to cyberlinks decoder. So frustrating! Quote
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