Guest hackbart Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Hey, in the next days i'll add a new cool feature into the main program. I suppose you all know the EPG with it's functions: EPG for one channel, resp. what's now. The new feature renders all upcoming events in a graphical timebar. At the moment i'm not sure about the colors, but it automaticly detects the type of event (if the broadcaster is sending the proper description) and renders it in a unique way. Christian Quote Link to comment
Griga Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 To be true - I don't like those time bar EPG representations. Though it looks quite fashionable, I would rather have the old (IMO more usable) one. Quote Link to comment
Guest hackbart Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 sure, i would never kick the old solution, but i would like to integrate the list into the epg window without changing too much Christian Quote Link to comment
Guest Lars_MQ Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 I think these kind of display is quite nice it contains more information than the normal epg, but of course it's a matter of taste... By the way, there will be also a OSD Version of this display Quote Link to comment
Sascha Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 I think it's a good idea. I hope that you programm the new egp-info-window for the osd, too?! I think it would be better if you design the window like a real tv guide (e.g. TV Spielfilm, TV Movie, etc.): you can see the channel names at the top and in the coloms the events. The channel names should be in a sequence as in a normal tv guide (ARD, ZDF, Sat.1, RTL,....) or in the sequence you have in your channel list. sorry for my bad english Quote Link to comment
Guest Lars_MQ Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Well, the channels are in the sequence of your channellist. That's the only way it will work, because you can't dictate the people the sequence like a TV guide, the DVBViewer is used not only in germany, how should the sorting be managed Quote Link to comment
Griga Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 i would never kick the old solution, I'm glad to read it. The time bar representation takes an awful lot of space. It doesn't use it economically - consider all the scrolling for a 5 days EPG overview.. .(*shudder*). Quote Link to comment
Sascha Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 ok, then it's ok.... i told you that, because in my 2.1 version the sequence is in a different order... not as my channellist (OSD->EPG zur Zeit) Quote Link to comment
Guest Lars_MQ Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 It doesn't use it economically - consider all the scrolling for a 5 days EPG overview.. .(*shudder*). Well not economically, but you can see with one look, how awfull the TV-Programm is on 8 channels in the next 2 hours just joking Quote Link to comment
Guest Lars_MQ Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 @ sascha that's strange, it has the same sorting as your channeldisplay (as far as I know). The new EPG View will, like the old one, only show Channels where there is EPG-data is present. Each Channel with no EPG will be ignored. It would make no sense to show a channel with no epg in such kind of overview Quote Link to comment
Griga Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 but you can see with one look, Well, you can't see much with one look, that's the point. Quote Link to comment
Guest Lars_MQ Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 (edited) Well, you can't see much with one look, that's the point. *g* well it's like everything. It is one more step to make the DVBViewer more comfortable. Some may like the new EPG View, some not. But nobody HAS to use it. If you're happy with all the other features of the DVBViewer, well, where is the problem? Edited July 17, 2004 by Lars_MQ Quote Link to comment
Guest hackbart Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 well, to be honest i'm just a visual type of person. I prefer the simplest display instead of a listed table. I suppose a couple of people would like to have such a display too. Anyhow i promise that i won't change too much inside the epg window. My plan for tomorrow is either to replace the What's Now button with a new one which lists the three display types (Channel, What's Now, new EPG) or do solve it in the way i found while sleeping tonight Christian Quote Link to comment
Hartwig Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 My plan for tomorrow is either to replace the What's Now button with a new one which lists the three display types (Channel, What's Now, new EPG) That's a good idea. I'll like it. Quote Link to comment
Klausing Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 I have an additional idea. It would be nice if i could sort the stations by Drag&Drop. On this way i could view my most viewed stations on one view! Steffen Quote Link to comment
crypto Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 Hi Christian, Very cool, I like the time-line EPG. But how can it be done? Does the EPG tune into different channels to collect the data, or are you using the Technisat EPG or another multi-channel EPG source? Quote Link to comment
Klausing Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 I think its based on his EPG.dat Steffen Quote Link to comment
Griga Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 Does the EPG tune into different channels to collect the data No. The DVBViewer just collects the data from all transponders tuned by the user and writes it to a file when it terminates. Quote Link to comment
Gioxy Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 (edited) New EPG, very nice news! For the data source, what about MHW? At least for italian users it would be a great improvement, a 7 day full schedule of the primary italian channels (RAI & Mediaset) was inside Sky's MHW... You can have a look at it with SkyViewer... I'm tolding this because I'm experimenting MHW from some time ago: I download a XMLTV file with PMCam (I use it only for this task!) or with TSReader (from v. 2.4 it has a MHW->XMLTV downloader, but with TSR free version the file was limited to 24h...), some data correction with Word and visualizing it with myHTPC... very nice result, but poor "operability"... I would have test also TVHolic, that seem very flexible, buy until now I had some .NET configuration problem and too much little spare time... Please consider also some more filtering (or ordering) capability (namely by type of event...) "thanks thousands" Gioxy Edited July 18, 2004 by Gioxy Quote Link to comment
Guest hackbart Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 Hmm, there is some additional tool which will be published after the new version is oficially released. This program allows to receive epg lists from the internet - mainly for german broadcasters atm., but i suppose it can be simply enhanced for others.. Christian Quote Link to comment
Guest Lars_MQ Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 well maybe this little tool christian mentioned will work with xmltv, the chances are not that bad But like the other great improvements, it will have to wait till the next release... lars Quote Link to comment
Caramba Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 sure, i would never kick the old solution .....what's with the old buttons which were kicked in the last release?? pls. don't forget it Quote Link to comment
Guest Lars_MQ Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 Here's a screenshot of the OSD-Version of the new EPG-View. Of course it can be completely controlled by keyboard or remote control. lars Quote Link to comment
Hartwig Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 Oh, it looks nice. I will be glad Can I program the PVR over that EPG?? Quote Link to comment
Guest Lars_MQ Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 (edited) Well yes, you select the programm, you want to record and press the blue button :-) I tested it just now - it works like a charm I'm not shure, if I should take the pre (vorlauf) and post recording times of the DVBViewer into account. I think it would be better if I do... lars Edited July 21, 2004 by Lars_MQ Quote Link to comment
Hartwig Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 I'm not shure if I should take the pre (vorlauf) and post recording times of the DVBViewer into account. I think it would be better if I do... Yes, it would be better I think, the next Version of the Viewer will be really good... ...one more question: Can I recognize the programmed broadcastings in that EPG (e.g. a border around that entry or a timeline for the PVR like the timeline of the other stations)?? Quote Link to comment
Guest Lars_MQ Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 (edited) hmm the display is getting a little bit crowded I think But maby a little red REC Symbol in the lower right corner of the entries will work? I'm not sure if I can do it, because of repeating timers, pre and post roll etc, the complete timersection has to be mapped to the epg and there are serveral pitfalls, which can lead to a wrong display. I'll try what I can do. lars Edited July 21, 2004 by Lars_MQ Quote Link to comment
Hartwig Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 (edited) You must not do it. It was only a little question. It's good, that the Viewer gets a better OSD. That's enough. Thanks Edited July 21, 2004 by Hartwig Quote Link to comment
NameIt Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Hi developers of that new EPG view, May I suggest you another layout? I saw so much unused (wasted) space in the screenshots so I think it would maybe better (more effective) if you use one column for each tv station and the rows for the timeline. advantage one is, you could see more stations at once. (screen is wider than high) adv. two is, you fill the most space of each movie/broadcast with its name/title. Only just my 2 c€nt. NameIt Quote Link to comment
Sascha Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 this is exactly that what i said the layout should be lika a 'television newspaper'. Quote Link to comment
Guest Lars_MQ Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 I'm not shure, if you really get more information, my guess, you get more for each program but overall seen less per "page". The OSD-Version has to take into account that a normal TV display only has ~ 720 x 576 pixel. So you have to be carefull with the fontsize, otherwise it won't be readable for the couchpotatos lars Quote Link to comment
Guest hackbart Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Well everything is possible with the new OSD interface (even if i think it sucks a bit, since it is quite confusing ). In theory it is even possible to create a tv genial like display, even with images of events. But before this plugin project might be started i suppose it is much more better to release a new version, to allow a wide range of users playing with several new plugins. This way helps to solve bugs which are probably undetected since only a hand full of beta testers are playing with these things. The new release is not too far away, because i only have one feature to add which i think is quite important: Offering as much quality for blind users than possible. After this i go into feature freeze and fix the few open mentioned problems at http://www.DVBViewer.com/forum/index.php?showforum=25. I'm quite optimistic that i will upload the new 2.2 version within this month - anyhow after i got the okay from my betatesters Christian PS: EPG Thingy plugin in action: Quote Link to comment
Guest Lars_MQ Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 (edited) It's not confusing, it's complex That's why you can do nearly everything with it... Edited July 25, 2004 by Lars_MQ Quote Link to comment
smacky Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 sorry - the new style is'nt beautifully! unclearly. Quote Link to comment
Guest hackbart Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 erm, isn't beautiful? well i really like it, because you can easily program your vcr in a quite fast manner. Even if a tv paper like style looks more neat, after you have to stay informed with more than a hand full of tv stations you get confused... Christian PS: As i said, it's just a plugin so you don't need to use it.. Quote Link to comment
Sascha Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 sorry, but i have to speak german Warum versuchst du es nicht wenigstens einmal so zu gestalten, wie eine Fernsehzeitung, Christian? Mach es doch einfach mal und dann poste nen Screenshot Quote Link to comment
Guest hackbart Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 as i already said: It is just a plugin and before Lars resp. i start(s) building another plugin i better complete this release. Wie schon gesagt: Es ist doch nur ein Plugin und bevor Lars bzw. ich ein weiteres Plugin zusammenschustern, ist es wahrscheinlich besser erst das aktuelle Release fertigzustellen. Christian Quote Link to comment
Hartwig Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 I find it so OK. If I want to show it like a TV guide and time-synchronous, then it will be also fast unclearly. If the programs are indicated in lines, it is more orderly with a time-synchronous view. Quote Link to comment
Guest Lars_MQ Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 I agree with christian. we stay where we are and try to get this working and released. after all is released and working satisfactory, I will start to think about new plugins, gimmics and stuff. @sascha das ist nicht mal schnell zusamengeklickt, das braucht verdammt viel arbeit und zeit, sowas zu schreiben... lars Quote Link to comment
Griga Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 (edited) das braucht verdammt viel arbeit und zeit, sowas zu schreiben...it takes a whole lot of work to write something like that I can confirm that. I've seen the timeline EPG DVBViewer code (as usual proof-reading, error-correcting and re-writing a part that didn't work well was up to me). It is a tricky, complex thing. I was glad that I didn't have to write all of it. So I think, it should be released as it is. Changes may come later... first it should be discussed here in the board after having experienced the look and feel. Edited July 26, 2004 by Griga Quote Link to comment
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