Tuner Confusion

[uglyned]

EDIT - this has only been happening as far as I know for the last 2 weeks or so and I have the .55 beta of recording service installed. Maybe this post should be in the beta forum.

 

 

Hi,

 

OK how to I explain this one...

 

I have 2 x terrestrial and 4 x satellite tuners.

 

Sometimes DVBViewer gets confused about terrestrial tuners.

 

If I'm recording on one tuner, I can tune a new terrestrial channel in DVBViewer and the recording service will use both tuners.

 

If recording service is recording on one dvbt tuner and another dvbt recording is scheduled it ignores the free second tuner and waits for the first one to become free

 

If I am recording on 1 dvbt tuner and try a channel scan in DVBViewer, DVBViewer will try to use the dvbt tuner which is in use and ignore the free one.

 

Today I was watching a satellite channel with one dvbt tuner recording. Just to test, I went to the recording service interface and started a second dvbt recording manually. The recording service did use the second tuner, however, DVBViewr changed channel from the satellite channel it was tuned to (4 tuners free) and tuned to the manual dvbt recording I had just started saying 'redirection requested by service'. Why? It had no need to retune me from a satellite tuner. I could change channel back without problems.

 

I have all physical tuners in DVBViewer set to do not use and am using virtual tuners.

 

Please help as I am missing recordings!

 

When I first installed WIndows 7 I tried out the media center by 'lending' it a dvbt tuner. I didn't like the WMC but it kept my tuner. I had to totally remove the WMC from WIndows before DVBViewer could see the tuner again. I wonder if this is something to do with it. I have done a hardware rescan in DVBViewer and recording service since.

Edited December 6, 2009 by uglyned

[Tjod]

There is some thing wrong in the svchardware.xml.

 

I think the DeviceNr by Tuner (3) should be 1

 

<entry name="Name">Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX BDA DVBS Tuner (3)</entry>

<entry name="TunerType">1</entry>

 

<entry name="DeviceNr">1</entry>

[Lars_MQ]

Driver update? there is nothing which could be used to make a connection between the hybrid devices.

Sorry but you will have to find it out by trial and error and assign the Devicenumbers by yourself.

[uglyned]

Thanks both.

 

I found the entries in the svchardware.xml which you mentioned and changed the entries for the repeat occurances. The DeviceNr sequence for all tuners went 1..2..2..2..5..6 so I used my mathematical genius to deduce that the correct sequence should be 1..2..3..4..5..6. I've changed it accordingly. Initially all EPG for DVBT went missing but immediately was downloaded again. No longer any incorrect notifications of clashes in the recording service where there used to be so good start.

 

Everything good so far. Thanks for your help.

[Lars_MQ]

oh and i thought the dual device was a hybrid tuner. So that leads me to: ((1 - 2 - 1 - 2-) or (1 - 2 - 2 - 1 -)) and the rest doesn't matter as long as the entry is > 2.

I will not comment on your "mathematical genius" which seems to fail big time with simple logic....

[uglyned]

Hmm Thanks?!

 

It's not hybrid. It's actually a 7010iX quad tuner. Can use all 4 tuners at once. Windows detects it as a 7010iX but DVBViewer detects it as a 3010iX. Doesn't matter does it?

[Lars_MQ]

Pinnacle Systems PCTV Dual Hybrid Pro PCI 3010iX TV-Karte

That's what causes the confusion. As long as you are sure you have the 7010 you are right with your numbering.

Now I have to see, how to distinguish the 30xx and 70xx

[uglyned]

Absolutely definitely a 7010ix. 2xDVB-S, 2xDVB-T. Can use all 4 at once.

 

Let me know if I can help any more.

[uglyned]

That's what causes the confusion. As long as you are sure you have the 7010 you are right with your numbering.

Now I have to see, how to distinguish the 30xx and 70xx

 

If it helps, I never had this problem in Windows XP, only in Windows 7.

 

I think the 7010iX shares a chipset with the Blackgold BGT3540 so much so that the blackgold drivers work for the 7010iX

 

I din't have this problem in Windows XP, only in Windows 7. When I had Windows XP I'm pretty sure the recordng service detected the 7010iX as the Blackgold card and it worked perfectly.

[uglyned]

This is still a big problem for me. I have a Pinnacle 7010iX that is capable of recording or watching 2xTerrestrial and 2xSatellite at the same time but DVBViewer treats it like a 3010 hybrid and needlessly prevents me from watching channels that I could watch.

 

Is there anything I can do about this until you have a permanent fix? Are there any changes I can make to hardware ini files in the recording service that would let it use all tuners at the same time?

[Lars_MQ]

please show your hardware.xml/svchardware.xml. You just have to adjust the "DeviceNr" accordingly. I'll tell you how, If I see the files (and hopefully find a solution).

[uglyned]

Thanks! I think there was one on this thread before but I probably deleted it to save space.

 

Posted this one a day or two back should be OK!

 

Support zip here

[Lars_MQ]

first: stop the service.

Find and open the svchardware.xml in notepad (or any other plaintext editor). Change numbers in the bold parts:

<section name="@device:pnp:\\?\pci#ven_1131&dev_7162&subsys_010111bd&rev_01#4&103f66f3&0&0020#{71985f48-1ca1-11d3-9cc8-00c04f7971e0}\{3ff44ee5-8547-402a-94f3-d447f4d70000}">

<entry name="UseHardwareFilter">1</entry>

<entry name="NoStandard">1</entry>

<entry name="Name">Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX BDA DVBT Tuner (1)</entry>

<entry name="TunerType">2</entry>

<entry name="Status">1</entry>

<entry name="InstID">Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX BDA DVBT Tuner 0</entry>

<entry name="DeviceNr">1</entry>

<entry name="Priority">2</entry>

<entry name="Tag">0</entry>

<entry name="ClassID">{EAFB3270-65C7-4662-99D6-C06D5E009FA3}</entry>

<entry name="Groups">255</entry>

<entry name="Retune">0</entry>

<entry name="SkipComponents">0</entry>

</section>

<section name="@device:pnp:\\?\pci#ven_1131&dev_7162&subsys_010111bd&rev_01#4&103f66f3&0&0020#{71985f48-1ca1-11d3-9cc8-00c04f7971e0}\{3ff44ee5-8547-402a-94f3-d447f4d70001}">

<entry name="UseHardwareFilter">1</entry>

<entry name="NoStandard">1</entry>

<entry name="Name">Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX BDA DVBT Tuner (2)</entry>

<entry name="TunerType">2</entry>

<entry name="Status">1</entry>

<entry name="InstID">Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX BDA DVBT Tuner 1</entry>

<entry name="DeviceNr">2</entry>

<entry name="Priority">2</entry>

<entry name="Tag">0</entry>

<entry name="ClassID">{EAFB3270-65C7-4662-99D6-C06D5E009FA3}</entry>

<entry name="Groups">255</entry>

<entry name="Retune">0</entry>

<entry name="SkipComponents">0</entry>

</section>

<section name="@device:pnp:\\?\pci#ven_1131&dev_7162&subsys_010111bd&rev_01#4&103f66f3&0&0020#{71985f48-1ca1-11d3-9cc8-00c04f7971e0}\{9bb4f27f-515c-43ca-8e7d-f07cf5b70002}">

<entry name="UseHardwareFilter">1</entry>

<entry name="NoStandard">1</entry>

<entry name="CanUnicable">1</entry>

<entry name="Name">Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX BDA DVBS Tuner (3)</entry>

<entry name="TunerType">1</entry>

<entry name="Status">1</entry>

<entry name="InstID">Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX BDA DVBS Tuner 2</entry>

<entry name="DeviceNr">3</entry>

<entry name="Priority">2</entry>

<entry name="Tag">0</entry>

<entry name="ClassID">{EAFB3270-65C7-4662-99D6-C06D5E009FA3}</entry>

<entry name="Groups">255</entry>

<entry name="Retune">0</entry>

<entry name="SkipComponents">0</entry>

<entry name="DiSEqCCount">1</entry>

<entry name="Slot">0</entry>

<entry name="SlotFrequency">0</entry>

<entry name="UnicablePIN">0</entry>

</section>

<section name="@device:pnp:\\?\pci#ven_1131&dev_7162&subsys_010111bd&rev_01#4&103f66f3&0&0020#{71985f48-1ca1-11d3-9cc8-00c04f7971e0}\{9bb4f27f-515c-43ca-8e7d-f07cf5b70003}">

<entry name="UseHardwareFilter">1</entry>

<entry name="NoStandard">1</entry>

<entry name="CanUnicable">1</entry>

<entry name="Name">Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX BDA DVBS Tuner (4)</entry>

<entry name="TunerType">1</entry>

<entry name="Status">1</entry>

<entry name="InstID">Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX BDA DVBS Tuner 3</entry>

<entry name="DeviceNr">4</entry>

<entry name="Priority">2</entry>

<entry name="Tag">0</entry>

<entry name="ClassID">{EAFB3270-65C7-4662-99D6-C06D5E009FA3}</entry>

<entry name="Groups">255</entry>

<entry name="Retune">0</entry>

<entry name="SkipComponents">0</entry>

<entry name="DiSEqCCount">1</entry>

<entry name="Slot">0</entry>

<entry name="SlotFrequency">0</entry>

<entry name="UnicablePIN">0</entry>

</section>

Be aware this will get reset everytime you do a manual hardware search in the options.

 

BTW: are these DVB-S or DVB-S2 tuners?

[uglyned]

Thanks Lars. They're 2xDVB-T and 2xDVB-S tuners. It's OK for now as there are no FTA DVB-S2 tuners on 28.8e yet.

 

I do have a separate Hauppauge DVB-S2 card but that's detected properly.

 

I'll let you know how it goes.

[uglyned]

Thanks!