DVBviewer and MediaPortal issue

[maximilian]

Its very sad but we found out that the

commercial application called DVBViewer

is stealing the skin + gfx files from mediaportal.

 

DVBViewer can be found at http://www.DVBViewer.com/

screenshots can be found at http://www.DVBViewer.com/shots.htm

 

if you install the full 3.1 version of DVBViewer you'll see it contains

the following subfolders:

OSDSkins\Default

OSDSkins\Default\Media

 

In these folders are the skin .xml files from mediaportal

and the gfx files from mediaportal

 

we notified Christian Hackbart who is the author of DVBViewer

and asked him to remove those files immediately

or opensource DVBViewer under GPL as required.

 

Lets hope he respects the opensource community and

will remove the files as requested

 

At this time its unknown of DVBViewer is also using (ported) (parts) of the mediaportal code. But since they are using the same skinning engine as Mediaportal we suspect they took Mediaportals code and ported it to delphi.

 

This text was copied from mediaportal.sourceforge.net

Is this true?Its very sad but we found out that the

commercial application called DVBViewer

is stealing the skin + gfx files from mediaportal.

 

DVBViewer can be found at http://www.DVBViewer.com/

screenshots can be found at http://www.DVBViewer.com/shots.htm

 

if you install the full 3.1 version of DVBViewer you'll see it contains

the following subfolders:

OSDSkins\Default

OSDSkins\Default\Media

 

In these folders are the skin .xml files from mediaportal

and the gfx files from mediaportal

 

we notified Christian Hackbart who is the author of DVBViewer

and asked him to remove those files immediately

or opensource DVBViewer under GPL as required.

 

Lets hope he respects the opensource community and

will remove the files as requested

 

At this time its unknown of DVBViewer is also using (ported) (parts) of the mediaportal code. But since they are using the same skinning engine as Mediaportal we suspect they took Mediaportals code and ported it to delphi.

[Kekkuli53]

let's see how long this stays here before it's deleted.

Why don't you be a man and tell the truth or take that source away from your program!

[hackbart]

I don't think it is required to remove anything.

 

The claims Erwin "Frodo" Becker made are infame lies and definitely not true. All source code - this also applies graphics and images - has been programmed by the DVBViewer team - especially Lars and Griga are to praise for it. Further thanks go to all the other helpful people of this board.

This can be proven by original image files (incl. layers) created either with Corel, Photoshop and Paint Shop.

 

 

Christian

[frodoMP]

To the DVBViewer team

 

I would have expect a more professional response then some stupid

remarks about stability.

I'm not going to lower myself to that level, but will let you know

why we believe DVBViewer is violating GPL

 

We have found several facts that you used (parts) of mediaportal

(see below for a complete list)

 

You claim that the DVBViewer team have created the gfx by themselves

then how is it possible that most of these files are 100% binary compatible

with mediaportals ? You can check our cvs and see the date/time

we checked in the gfx. I believe that was done long before

DVBViewer released a version with those gfx !

 

Secondly you didnt only took our gfx, the hover images in the htpcHome

screen are copied from Dell Media Experience.

 

Third as said we found several facts.

I announced them here:

http://nolanparty.com/mediaportal.sourcefo...opic.php?t=8275

 

But here they are:

 

We have found the following facts:

Here are the facts as known today:

 

1. The media files of DVBViewer are 100% binary the same as the mediaportal MCE skin media files

 

2. The skin xml files of DVBViewer are clearly based on the MCE skin of mediaportal. They use the same structure,elements,values and filenames

 

3. The configuration part of DVBViewer is clearly based on mediaportals setup.

 

4. DVBViewer can create thumbs for music/pictures/movies. These thumbs are created in the exact same folder as mediaportal and with the exact same filenames.

This is weird since Mediaportal is using a CRC value for our thumbs.

So our thumbs have filenames like 3925864286.jpg

There is no way DVBViewer could come up with the same filenames for thumbnails like MP has

 

5. DVBViewer creates the same sqlite databases in the same folders.

Ok those database are trimmed and some columns/tables have been removed or added. But most of the table names , column names are the same as in mediaportal

 

6 Setup.xml is using the exact same structure as mediaportal.xml

meaning. the settings themselves are somewhat different. but the xml structure is clearly taken of mediaportal

 

7. in DVBViewer.exe we found several SQL queries which are just plain

copies from mediaportal

 

 

 

In short we know for sure they copied stuff from mediaportal.

Also taking the above facts in account it sure looks like DVBViewer

used parts of mediaportal like

- the skinning engine

- database handling

- settings

- configuration

and ported it to Delphi and extended/modified it

 

GPL considers this derived work and all derived work should be

placed under GPL and opensourced as well. If DVBViewer cannot do this

they should remove all parts they used from mediaportal immediatly

this inclused any media/skin file, and any piece of code taken from mediaportal and ported to Delphi

 

 

Regards

 

Erwin Beckers

aka

Frodo

[CHli]

WTF

[hackbart]

Be careful, we can proove that the images we are using inside the OSD are 100% by us. Proof means the pictures are made in Corel and Paint Shop Pro and we have the Multilayer Sources. To be honest, why do you blame us for squares and rectangles filled with a smooth color? Each moron can draw such a thing in a modern graphic program.

And we even published our Skineditor - so i don't think so you are in the position to blame us.

 

Christian

[frodoMP]

you want prove

ok here is it:

 

list of our media files,

click on any and you'll see when they where checked in

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/medi...skin/mce/media/

 

for example

defaultAlbum.png

Sat Aug 21 21:34:15 2004 UTC (10 months, 2 weeks ago) by mrmario64

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/medi...ev=1.1&view=log

 

arrow_round_left_focus.png:

Sat Aug 21 21:34:15 2004 UTC (10 months, 2 weeks ago) by mrmario64

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/medi...ev=1.1&view=log

 

feel free to check the other media files

 

Erwin Beckers

 

Frodo

[frodoMP]

You are simply ignoring a few things here

1. yes anybody can make gfx, but as said they are 100% binary compatible

Now try to do that in paintshop,corel or whatever

 

2. you are ignoring the other facts i mentioned

 

Erwin Beckers

 

Frodo

[hackbart]

Erm, correct me if you did not posted this:

 

"I'm sure you or Lars did port it to Delphi and extended/modified it to

get it to work nicely within DVBViewer."

 

Christian

defaultDVDRomBig.zip

[frodoMP]

DVBViewer team.

 

You are again ignoring all other facts and only responding to

the issue about the media files.

 

Why are you refusing to respond to the other facts I mentioned ?

 

About the photoshop/corel files. You can easily have gotten them from the

mediaportal community. We are an opensource project and that means

its pretty easy to get the original photoshop files of our gfx.

 

So the fact that you got the photoshop files doesnt prove anything.

I've shown you when our media files have been checked in mediaportal CVS

and thats way before DVBViewer even mentioned anything about the

new OSD skin.

 

 

Regards,

 

Erwin Beckers

 

Frodo

[Derrick]

Hi @Frodo, I've red a comment on your board:

 

By the way frodo, I asked a german lawyer to help you (Udo Vetter, a german specialist in such things - www.lawblog.de). Maybe he contacts you. At least I hope so.

 

..was the author referring to this?

 

Um den Streitwert zu erhöhen, könnten Herr Vetter oder seine Mandanten das Erbrochene, um das sie schließlich ohne Rechtsgrund bereichert sind, zurückgeben.

[frodoMP]

I'm sure you or Lars did port it to Delphi and extended/modified it to

get it to work nicely within DVBViewer."

 

Yes i said that, reason you told me yourself that you where inspired by mediaportal when writing the osd skin:

Careful my friend,

 

if you think you can make false testimonys. First of all it is correct that

some icons are inspired on mce, and yes the xml nomenclature is similar to

yours.

 

 

I cannot prove that you ported code from mediaportal since i dont have access to the sourcecode of DVBViewer

 

But the facts that

1. we found the same SQL queries in DVBViewer.exe

2. the facts that DVBViewer uses the same CRC filenaming scheme for thumbnails

3. DVBViewer uses the same schema for the skin xml files

 

etc makes me believe that there is more then just some xml/gfx files

 

Erwin Beckers

 

frodo

[Griga]

Setup.xml is using the exact same structure as mediaportal.xml

 

@Frodo

 

I'm not involved in the OSD and Skin programming of DVBViewer Pro, and I don't know the code, so I can't say anything enlightening about it. But I'm quite familiar with the setup structure, since I do a lot of support here, and the setup files are some kind of daily reading for me.

 

As far as I can see the structure is basically the same as the structure of the old Setup.ini that has been used before (ever since), and that has been ported to xml lately. The xml file doesn't contain anything really new for me, except that it is xml.

 

I remember the lengthy internal discussion about "shall we switch over to xml or not", since all users would lose their settings.

 

In those discussions Media Portal was never mentioned (and not in other discussion I was involved in). It was about the general advantages of xml vs. ini, and how to introduce the new format with a minimum of compatibility issues, since we had some plugins reading data from the old ini - as an experienced developer you'll know such problems.

 

So I can confirm that this file is not a modified Media Portal file. Its structure and content are due to DVBViewer requirements. See here:

 

DVBViewer 2.1 Setup.ini

 

[Timeline]
TimeColor1=00FFDAD0
TimeColor2=00EFCAB0
Channelcolor1=00E18C87
Channelcolor2=00C36E69

 

etc.

 

DVBViewer 3.1 Setup.xml

 

- <section name="Timeline">
 <entry name="TimeColor1">00FFDAD0</entry> 
 <entry name="TimeColor2">00EFCAB0</entry> 
 <entry name="Channelcolor1">00E18C87</entry> 
 <entry name="Channelcolor2">00C36E69</entry>

 

etc.

[frodoMP]

Offcourse storing settings in XML is not the issue.

Everybody is free to use XML

 

But what are the changes that 2 persons come up with the exact same xml structure?

and that not only for the settings, also for the skin files and filenames?

 

for example. Our mediaportal.xml starts with:

 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<profile>
 <section name="skin">
   <entry name="name">BlueTwo</entry>
   <entry name="language">English</entry>
 </section>

 

and our dialogYesNo.xml starts with:

<window>
 <id>100</id> 
 <defaultcontrol>10</defaultcontrol> 
 <allowoverlay>no</allowoverlay>
 <controls>
<control>
 <type>image</type> 
 <id>0</id> 
 <posX>177</posX> 
 <posY>225</posY> 
 <width>409</width> 
 <height>202</height> 
 <texture>dialog_background.png</texture> 
</control>

 

compare those with DVBViewer and tell me what the changes are that

2 persons did come up with the exact same thing?

 

And here is prove that we came up with dialogYesNo.XML on

Sat Aug 21 21:34:13 2004 UTC (10 months, 3 weeks ago) by mrmario64

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/medi...ev=1.2&view=log

 

complete file:

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/medi...1.1&view=markup

 

Regards

 

Erwin Beckers

Edited July 13, 2005 by frodoMP

[frodoMP]

DVBViewer team:

 

I still didnt get a response on any of the other facts i mentioned

 

Lets take the htpc Home screen for example

I told you it contains gfx which are copyrighted by Dell

look for example here:

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/dell_m..._experience.asp

 

especially this image: http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews...a_exp_01_sm.jpg

 

The same globe & music notes can be found in DVBViewer

 

Offcourse Dell is not my issue here, the other things are.

Its just to prove that not only things where taken from mediaportal

also things are taken from other applications

 

So, while waiting for a offical response on all the facts i mentioned

 

Regards

 

Erwin Beckers

[admi-ral]

setup.xml

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<settings>
 <section name="General">
   <entry name="Language">Deutsch</entry>
   <entry name="TaskSysTray">1</entry>

 

defaultyesno:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<window>
 <id>100</id>
 <defaultcontrol>10</defaultcontrol>
 <allowoverlay>false</allowoverlay>
 <background>false</background>
 <version>DVBViewer OSDSkin 1.1</version>
 <controls>
   <control>
     <description>default image</description>
     <type>Image</type>

 

well, in my eyes there are differences. But what if there weren't?

 

One Example: Michelin and Bridgestone produce Tires. Both use rubber, Both have similar profiles, BUT they have not the same composition!

 

What you describe is that MP and DVBViewer are using similar frames for two totally different applications. I don't want to start a discussion:

 

- "App A has more features!"

- "App B is much more stable!"

- "..."

 

in my oppionion, this whole situation becomes more ridiculous the more posts are made.

 

One other thing: didn't the european council decide two days ago, that there isn't a right of (sorry for a not correct description) having ideas especially concerning IT-developing stuff?

Your ideas are good enaugh to add similar features do DVBViewer. Is anybody stealing anything? If you want to develop a car, what do you know for sure? You need 4 Wheels, an engine,... Chrysler might say, you are stealing their ideas

 

i'm tired of this such as a father might become tired if his children are fighting because of a lollipop.

 

[hackbart]

Erwin,

you are not really up to date. You informed us to remove pictures you use which are based on Dell Mediacenter on Monday evening, and i thanked you for the hint and informed you that we remove them as fast as possible. As you might already recognized this has been done yesterday - and even not more then 20 hours later.

Concerning the XML format you mentioned here: The structure was similar and definitively never ever equal, but it has been changed completely in the last months. We even published our skin editor (it can be downloaded free for everybody who is interested) in order to proove that this the allegation is anchorless.

 

Christian

[frodoMP]

Mr Hackbart:

 

1. its good you removed the dell images, but as said thats not my issue. I only proved that you didnt make all your own graphics. You told me to check these gfx have been removed. I'm sorry but i cannot since there is no download link to DVBViewer 3.2 professional and the 'lite' version doesnt seem to contain the osd skin

 

2. You claim that the skinning engine of DVBViewer has changed a lot the last few months.

I tried your skin editor and the files it produces still look like those of mediaportal.

Some things changed a bit, but overal anybody would agree that this is based on the skinning files of mediaportal.

 

But let us pretend you did indeed huge changes in DVBViewer 3.2.

If the original source code you used in DVBViewer was based on the skinning engine of mediaportal then this would mean that those 'huge changes' are considered derived work by the GPL license.

 

Meaning if you used (parts of ) the original mediaportal code and changed/modified that now in the new DVBViewer 3.2 then those changes/modifications still violate GPL

until they are opensourced and placed under GPL or removed completly

 

3. You still didnt gave an offical response on all our facts.

 

Regards

 

Erwin Beckers

[hackbart]

There is a download link, and since you are not a customer (i suppose you even did not collected the test version of the app legally, but thats an other thing) it is hard to check this out for you. Drop me a line and i send you the current skin. You can verify it by playing with the OSD Skinner. If you compare the Skin Editor with the channel editor and the language editor (which we probably upload later this week) you might see that they are looking quite equal. The look and feel is introduced by Microsoft and powered by .net. Since i like the Visual Studio design i used this fresh way to present information. Not a big deal if you know how to handle Delphi.

 

Christian

[frodoMP]

Mr Hackbert,

 

i never said anything about the skineditor violating GPL.

I'm sure you developed it yourself and i must say it looks nice.

The problem i have is with DVBViewer itself and the facts i mentioned and to which you still did not answer.

 

I also found out that it seems you are also using gfx from another opensource project

called VDR (linux)

 

http://www.DVBViewer.com/images/dvbwelcome.jpg

 

and

 

http://skins.vdr-developer.org/pics/lightblue256_1.jpg

 

I've contacted the artist of this skin and he tells me that

the skin has been given out for "private use" and not for commercial applications

 

Regards

 

Erwin Beckers

[admi-ral]

@frodo:

you are *really* not up to date, these pics are more than a year old now and have nothing to do with the actual DVBViewer 3.2 nor with any 3.x - version.

 

is there a reason why you are trying to proove that great parts of the DVBViewer are programmed by other people? did anybody here on this board do anything like saying unpolite stuff to your people or write extraordinary crude emails to you?

 

are *you* sure that *all* features of MediaPortal correspond with US/German rights? If your answer is yes, then you might try to show where all the stolen stuff has gone you are talking about

Edited July 13, 2005 by admi-ral

[hackbart]

Or any of the other releases. Damn, please before scraping here you should either buy the pro version to proove it (and buy does not mean the usage of edonkey) or to take a bit more care.

[Guest DAvenger]

@Frodo

 

The way you "handle" the situation and the fact that you have based all your claims on a pirated copy of DVBViewer does not make me want to believe you a single bit more!

 

Sure, I might be biased, and I probably am but man, we are adults and this is not a way how adults solve problems.

 

You should have never went public without first making sure you have enough solid proof and without giving the DVBViewer team at least 24 hours to respond.

 

Take care,

Martin

[frodoMP]

1. take some time to read the GPL license. This is not about german law but about respect for the opensource community and GPL

http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html

 

2. As you can see in my posts on the MP forums, i dont own an skystar or twinhan card. So DVBViewer is useless for me.

In fact a member of the MP community noticed that DVBViewer looks sooo much as mediaportal that he asked me if they where the same applications.

I was shocked and together we looked at HIS legal DVBViewer 3.1 version

 

So dont accuse me of using illegal versions of DVBViewer without any prove

Also dont accuse me of not being up-2-date. You released 3.2 just a few hours ago

and i think i might actually buy it just to see if Mr Hackbert indeed did all those changes.

 

 

 

Regards

 

Erwin Beckers

[admi-ral]

who is hackbert?

[arci]

Is now time to stop the fight ???

 

Please, Cristian remove all suspect .....

 

The DVBViewer TEAM can make a new and better skin OSD with other structure of course.....

 

We "Members" can to wait for this features.

 

x Frodo....

Many DVB Win application (in sales) use the EPG-Skin OSD derivate or equale to VDR world application patch and nobody talk about it !!!!

For my little opinion this not a great problem !!!!

This is not a secret project of shuttle......

 

Cheers

Edited July 13, 2005 by arci

[hackbart]

Erm there is already such a thing since ~24 hours.

 

Christian

[seppie]

Good to already have an alternative OSD/Skin.. That was pretty much the biggest problem and a good way to clear this problem.

 

To all people, I can see why MP has a problem with the resemblense.

It looked so much like MP (or XBMC for that mather, which also has the MCE theme, and XBMC is also from Frodo) that that by itself is already a problem.

Ofcourse basic idea's and such remain the same..

Every HTPC prog has the basic same elements (like my TV, My Videos) etc.

But the graphics do resemble ALOT.

As do the placement of the images.

I can see the fact that someone who came up with it first, might think that another program that does look exactly the same, can cause confusion to people or is an infrictment of his intellectual property.

I mean, if you would put both programs on your PC, you could hardly tell the difference. My wife sure couldn't, judging by the screenshots, for example.

Then again, it would've been a totally different problem, if an independent skinner would give it as a seperate theme to the program, but that's not the case either.

It was built-in. But that issue is solved now.

 

Still remains, that I am also curious as to the fact that the same CRC system is used. The other facts are indeed not easy to find out without a look at the sourcecode itself.

 

This is not a rant post and I'm glad to see that an alternative OSD is already made.

[Guest Oliver]

Still remains, that I am also curious as to the fact that the same CRC system is used.

Oh, that's easy. It's because of the MD5 hash. The filenames are created by it and that's based on a free Delphi implementation.

 

Bye

[randy_]

good morning,

 

i'm the creator of this "blue" skin, called lightblue256. mr. hackbart placed some

screenshots on the website showing that my skin is used in a not licensed way.

i asked mr. hackbart for removal of those copyprotected stuff, but he answered

only in a stupid, kindish way. what erwin says has nothing to do with illegal copies

of DVBViewer or anything. fact is, that mr. hackbart uses software and designs for

his commercial software he is not allowed to. one solution would be to release

DVBViewer und gpl and then nobody complains again about those issues.

 

arci:

 

of course many windows programs uses designs and code from vdr and other

projects - but those are non commercial + gpl. mr hackbart earns money with

DVBViewer, and this is _not_ allowed. and in my skin, i clearly stated "not for

commercial use". so imho there is no room for such discussions. if anybody has

asked instead of copying, this wouldnt be a big issue. and ppl here complaining

about "theire" software warez in edonkey - funny.

 

btw, mr hackbart stated that is is hard to prove an infrigment based upon a

screenshot with 320x280 px size. well - even the html colors matches with my

original skin, also proportions and style of some items.

 

bye,

 

-- randy

[arci]

arci:

 

of course many windows programs uses designs and code from vdr and other

projects - but those are non commercial + gpl. mr hackbart earns money with

DVBViewer, and this is _not_ allowed. and in my skin, i clearly stated "not for

commercial use". so imho there is no room for such discussions. if anybody has

asked instead of copying, this wouldnt be a big issue. and ppl here complaining

about "theire" software warez in edonkey - funny.

 

btw, mr hackbart stated that is is hard to prove an infrigment based upon a

screenshot with 320x280 px size. well - even the html colors matches with my

original skin, also proportions and style of some items.

 

bye,

 

-- randy

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Hi Randy

 

This fact is clear and out of discussion.

If there was a human error, this must to be resolve without an other discussion....

But, for my personal opinion, this fact must to be resolve with intelligent and quite mode and i have read a few words that they show the good intent to do it.

 

Cheers

[hackbart]

Well Randy i posted that i can not understand how you are can say that you be able to identify from a 320x300 pixel sized small image that the picture inside is from you.

Especially since it only consisted of 4 bars and some text.

And i also informed you that no program of us uses this any longer such an presentation style since more than 10 months. And for your interest the OSD skin was a free plugin and not part of the main application!

 

For the others this is what i wrote to Frodo:

Dear Mr. Becker,

 

though I'm selling DVBViewer, I still feel associated with open source communities. As you know, DVBViewer was open source when I started with it.

 

The DVBViewer with its low price and its community is as close to a "free" application as a commercial product can be. More than once programmers that had to deal with tricky DVB problems were supported by me or other DVBViewer developers with code or know how, regardless of potential commercial disadvantages, since I believe that developers should help each other, even when they earn their livelihood by selling their work, for the benefit of us all.

 

That's why I don't want to take legal action against the defamations and incriminations that have been published in your forum, like a "normal" company would do yet. At this moment I am hesitant to initiate anything that would constrict or prevent the progress of your work.

 

To show our good will and without acknowledgement of any legal duty, all images you were concerned about have been removed from DVBViewer in the past 24 hours, according to your request. The folders and files have been renamed, in order to avoid further annoyances.

 

Furthermore, if you still believe that Media Portal code has been used in DVBViewer, we offer insight into the DVBViewer source code under the presence of a notary here in Erfurt - at your expense of course.

 

But we demand of you in return to immediately stop the hostilities and defamations that are published in the Media Portal forum, and to withdraw the announcement "!!!DVBViewer.COM ILLEGALY USES MP UPDATE!!!" at once, because otherwise I will take legal action against both you and Media Portal.

 

I can affirm that DVBViewer developers don't steal code. We are skillful enough to write it ourselves. Picking up clever ideas - like using md5 hash (based on a free Delphi implementation), which explains the filenames you complained about - is a common way to improve applications and cannot be called "stealing".

 

I sincerely hope that this will settle the dispute and will let us come back to what we really want to do: Writing good applications.

 

Regards

Christian Hackbart

[randy_]

Well Randy i posted that i can not understand how you are can say that you be able to identify from a 320x300 pixel sized small image that the picture inside is from you.

Especially since it only consisted of 4 bars and some text. 

And i also informed you that no program of us uses this any longer such an presentation style since more than 10 months. And for your interest the OSD skin was a free plugin and not part of the main application!

 

dear mr. hackbart,

 

i never said that the _picture_ is from me. the _design_ of the skin is copyrighted

and you copied it without any notice. and those 4 bars are exactly the design i did

(same colors, same proportions, same telextext/stereo icons...). since i use cvs,

i can prove that the design is from me, but i think you know this already.

 

it makes no difference of you get a lot of money or not with your project - your

get money. even if you state that DVBViewer is opensource and gpl - so where is

the sourcecode?

 

additional, it makjes also no difference if it is a free plugin or not. you sell DVBViewer with screenshots with unlisences designs of osds. even if you _now_ dont use it anymore,

you used it in the past (which is clearly said by you with the action of removal

of some screenshots, also with a second skin, calles sezz's elchi). and all what we

want is your sourcecode under a gpl license or you simply stop selling it. the gpl

clearly says that you are allowed to earn money, no question. and i know it is

lot of work for ppl making such software (and maintainance etc..). but if you use

gpl code (or parts of it, even ideas, design, grafics whatever) you have to open

the sourcecode.

 

but as i wrote already - the laywers should decide.

and please stop those "i will sue you, evil coder" posts.

 

many thanks,

-- randy

[frodoMP]

Here is an update of the dispute between mediaportal and DVBViewer

 

Mr Hackbart of DVBViewer has removed all images we where concerned about in the last 24 hours. Furthermore he now uses different filenames and folders

 

This solves 2 of our concerns. For the other ones he offered us to have

a look at the sourcecode of DVBViewer in presence of a notary

 

I consider this as a professional response and a clear attempt to

solve this issue. Now that we have a chance of checking the sourcecode of DVBViewer to see if it contains (parts) of mediaportal

i find it only fair to delete the thread on our forums and

the announcements on our website which may cause damage to the

reputation of DVBViewer

 

BTW

I have to take Mr Hackbarts word on the fact that images are removed and replaced with own dvbviewers own made gfx. I didnt see any download link where i can try a (trial) version of the new DVBViewer 3.2 which has these new images in them.

If its possible to download a (trial) version of DVBViewer 3.2 which contains the new OSD skin then please post the URL to it.

 

 

Regards

 

Erwin Beckers

Edited July 14, 2005 by frodoMP

[hackbart]

Sure here it is.

OSDSkins.zip

[Guest kenwonders]

Sure here it is.

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Here aren't the other mails. Hey, Mr Illegallycopyingguy! Over here!

[randy_]

ken,

 

please be fair and nice.

 

-- randy

[Derrick]

@Frodo has locked the topic on his board, so why not do the same here? Let the persons involved try to settle the question via other channels.

[hackbart]

Dear Randy,

 

thanks but thats not correct.

I assume you mention these images, if yes you can take a look at the zip above which contains the "source code" (to be correct xml files, which a coder would not really name source code) of this skin.

 

Christian