ramonchin Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Hi! Has anyone checked DVBViewer + Vista? Is this VMR bug still present? Perhaps DX10 can solve this problem... Link to comment
Griga Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 I wouldn't count on it. News sites report that NVidia is under heavy pressure concerning the quality of the drivers particularly for Vista, and that there are people trying to organize a class-action lawsuit against NVidia. See here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&q=N...wsuit&meta= Link to comment
ramonchin Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 I wouldn't count on it. News sites report that NVidia is under heavy pressure concerning the quality of the drivers particularly for Vista, and that there are people trying to organize a class-action lawsuit against NVidia. See here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&q=N...wsuit&meta= Thanks So, I'll wait for a new xp forceware driver release It's said that ATI has the same problem (stuttering) in VMR Isn't it? Thanks Link to comment
CiNcH Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 (edited) It's said that ATI has the same problem (stuttering) in VMR Just tried a little Radeon 9600 a fey days ago and there was no stuttering at all. Also no stuttering on my notebook with Mobility Radeon 9700 . I am going to set up a new HTPC next week, this time with a Radeon X1600 Pro and HDMI. Edited February 11, 2007 by CiNcH Link to comment
zeflash Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Just tried a little Radeon 9600 a fey days ago and there was no stuttering at all. Also no stuttering on my notebook with Mobility Radeon 9700 . I am going to set up a new HTPC next week, this time with a Radeon X1600 Pro and HDMI. Well, I was using a radeon (don't remember the actual reference) previously with powerstrip to output directly on the TV, overlay & unchanged were smooth, VMR were stuttering. Now I've upgraded my system to another radeon a X1300, for HDMI output on a full HD screen; Rigt now I'm still outputting on svideo as the screen hasn't been shipped yet, yet the problem is still there even as I changed video card & video drivers. Stuttering in VMR, smooth in unchanged & overlay. Those "bumps" in the animation clearly have to do with interlacing; The stutter is actually because either in some occurences the odd / even frames aren't respected anymore (maybe one frame is skipped, maybe one frame is doubled, I don't know) Yet I have no idea how this could be fixed. So clearly this has nothing to do with a NVidia bug. Link to comment
Dr. Cain Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I get stuttering when using the "OSD VMR HT Fix", doesn't matter which codec, though right now I'm using Cyberlink 7 Mpeg2 However when watching H.264 broadcasts, I need to turn the "OSD VMR HT Fix" on, otherwise I get video noise (because of the OSD??!). It would be nice to get this fixed, so I don't have to go into options and toggle it all the time when changing from SD to HD channels. This is using a C2D E4300 @ 2.4 Ghz, TT 3200 with a ATI Radeon Xpress 1250 (with HDMI output). Overlay works fine, but colors are a bit off, since HDMI uses 16-239 black levels. Link to comment
BelowSky Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Hi!Has anyone checked DVBViewer + Vista? Is this VMR bug still present? Perhaps DX10 can solve this problem... The exact problem still there in Vista. Link to comment
ebi Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Finally I have choosen "Overlay mixer" option until Nvidia gets VMR working fine. Okay... it is only a VMR Bug? But why doesn't work the "Overlay mixer" for me? When i choose this option there will be only a black screen. NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 * Version 95.97 Greetings EBI Link to comment
ramonchin Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) Has nvidia explained if they are working around this? Edited April 6, 2007 by ramonchin Link to comment
CiNcH Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 No. They seem to be more focused on their core business which obviously is games. And if you look at the problems they are having with Vista it is pretty obvious that this is currently of highest priority (which makes sense). I am afraid that you won't see any changes in this matter in the next couple of weeks/months, if ever... Let's just hope that Christian pushes his renderer to get rid of VMR Windowless. Link to comment
ramonchin Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 No. They seem to be more focused on their core business which obviously is games. And if you look at the problems they are having with Vista it is pretty obvious that this is currently of highest priority (which makes sense). I am afraid that you won't see any changes in this matter in the next couple of weeks/months, if ever... Let's just hope that Christian pushes his renderer to get rid of VMR Windowless. So, Is VMR renderless the solution? I think renderless can't use DXVA... can it? Is Christian working around ? Thanks CiNcH Link to comment
CiNcH Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 The advantage of renderless over a completely self-made renderer is DXVA I would say. So when using VMR renderless, decoders _can_ query DXVA. Christian's approach is a completely independet renderer. However, I do not exactly know what the advantages over VMR renderless are. Link to comment
Dr. Cain Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Implementing Haali's renderer would be nice on the other hand, I use it for Media Player Classic which supports it, and it's great. No tearing issues, no noticable judder, and correct deinterlacing... It does however require a semi-new graphics with pixel shaders. More info here, http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=108088 Link to comment
Salvatore Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Does Chipset-to-GPU Matching Matter? http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/04/04/doe...tter/page8.html Link to comment
GabbaGandalf Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 bug is fixed in 158.19 winxp/2k forceware drivers. http://wolfe.batcave.net/nv4_disp.inf http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_158.19.html worked for me. can somebody confirm this? Link to comment
ramonchin Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 bug is fixed in 158.19 winxp/2k forceware drivers. http://wolfe.batcave.net/nv4_disp.inf http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_158.19.html worked for me. can somebody confirm this? I think it's Geforce 8 drivers... Isn't it? Geforce 7 still with 93.71 Link to comment
Zyknyp Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 I think it's Geforce 8 drivers... Isn't it?Geforce 7 still with 93.71 The file .inf posted allows you to install the driver on series 6 and 7 too. I wonder though if the VMR stuttring is really fixed before installing this driver set. It's not that I don't trust the words of a user, but a single swallow spring does not make. Link to comment
GabbaGandalf Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_158.24.html New Driver with Geforce 6/7/8 Support. Should fix the VMR Bug too, but not tested yet. Link to comment
NeDrY Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 (edited) New official ForceWare 158.22 for XP released. It's only for 8800-Series but can be installed with modded nv4_disp.inf. On my 6600GT the Nvidia Bug is NOT fixed with this driver! With Cyberlink Decoder I got no stuttering but TV picture reduced to 1/4 size with crap around it. Same Procedure as every release . Has anybody tested NGO or Omega Driver for the bug? Cheereo NeDrY Edited May 3, 2007 by NeDrY Link to comment
ramonchin Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Have you noticed a less VMR stuttering in latest beta?... It's almost ok for me using VMR9!! Link to comment
ramonchin Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 VMR never fill up all the screen but 1080 sources (my tv is Full HD). It's like no upscaling method is present. Is this part of VMR windowed issue? Link to comment
JJ57 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Hello , remplacing my old 93.71 drivers with the 94.24 news one for the first time I could get VMR9 working with my TT S2-3200 Couldn't make long tests but hope it will hold on ! ! Link to comment
Zyknyp Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Hello , remplacing my old 93.71 drivers with the 94.24 news one for the first time I could get VMR9 working with my TT S2-3200 Couldn't make long tests but hope it will hold on ! ! Not for me, unfortunately. After the while, the stuttering is back on, as usual... Link to comment
CiNcH Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Not for me, unfortunately. After the while, the stuttering is back on, as usual... He was most likely referring to the "quarter picture problem". Link to comment
ramonchin Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 (edited) He was most likely referring to the "quarter picture problem". Very expensive graphic cards without smooth video play (VMR)... and without support from vendor... It's a big SHIT!! They get 100000000... fps on latest 3d games but a simple film drops frames I can't understand it. I trust these smart guys give us good news with their D3D renderer. Edited June 4, 2007 by ramonchin Link to comment
CiNcH Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 (edited) ForceWare 158.27 WHQL solves the "quarter-picture" problem ("NVidia Bug") for GeForce 8 series GPU's too. Edited June 19, 2007 by CiNcH Link to comment
spAik Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 but only vmr7, if the think of the same bug Link to comment
CiNcH Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Oh yes, I was wrong, ffdshow was in between so DXVA was disabled... Link to comment
zais Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Hello, I just installed driver version 162.15 on VISTA, 8600 GTS The problem of quality with VMR9 is still here with DVBViewer Pro. But when I use DVBdream 1.3c, the quality with VMR9 is Excelent! with this new driver! Have you already made some test with 162.15 drivers? Link to comment
CiNcH Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Problem is how the DVBViewer mixes video and OSD's. It is the way Microsoft specified. I am not even sure whether it can be fixed with a driver update, only work around it with some drawbacks, like the nVIDIA VMR fix within DVBViewer. Funny is that latest ATi X2000 series seems to suffer from the same problem, see here. Hope we will soon hear something new from the D3D renderer front. Link to comment
Etienne Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I have colors setting problems on my 7100 Nvidia too.. (crappy colors) Haven't find the correct setting in Nvidia panels! Nvidia is a little bit shitt in colors quality / settings . Had nice colors vith my old Ati card , but no HD ... Etienne Link to comment
NeDrY Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I am not even sure whether it can be fixed with a driver update, only work around it with some drawbacks, like the nVIDIA VMR fix within DVBViewer. I think I CAN be fixed with a driver update, because I don't have the Problem with only 8 bit color depth. I know it looks weired, it was just for testing purposes . Can somebody please confirm that the quarter-picture bug only appears with 16 or 32 bit color depth? BTW, the new ForceWare 162.18 still has the problem with my 6600GT Cheereo NeDrY Link to comment
CiNcH Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Can somebody please confirm that the quarter-picture bug only appears with 16 or 32 bit color depth? Confirmed. Link to comment
NeDrY Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Confirmed. Ok, thank you. I think it's a driver issue or a DirectX related problem. Maybe somebody has tested older DirectX-Versions? Otherwise let's send many mails to Nvidia support Cheereo NeDrY Link to comment
Tjod Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I use a old NVidia driver 81.98 there is no Problem. Only if i use a newer driver i need the nVIDIA VMR fix. But the driver did not work with newer cards. Link to comment
NeDrY Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I use a old NVidia driver 81.98 there is no Problem. Only if i use a newer driver i need the nVIDIA VMR fix.But the driver did not work with newer cards. Which Gfx-Card do you own? I tried all official drivers from 66.93 to 162.18 but no luck Cheereo NeDrY Link to comment
CiNcH Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Here's a little comparison between a Radeon 9600 (and how 2 input pins should be handled by the VMR) and a GeForce 8600 (how things should not look like). I have mixed two video sources using GraphEdit: nVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS ATi Radeon 9600 You can bug nVIDIA with the problem over here, even though I do not think it will help... Link to comment
CiNcH Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 (edited) On the following picture you will recognize that it is indeed only the VMR deinterlacer (also used together with DXVA) that is causing trouble. It is forced when setting the interlaced flag on the output pin, outsourcing deinterlacing to the VMR. (MPV Decoder does not support DXVA) Edited September 21, 2007 by CiNcH Link to comment
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